Straight-up list of Pittsburgh idiot cyclists

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Lyle
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SteveA, you’re mostly preaching to the choir here.

@whoever said “If you would have asked me about it I probably would have said “isn’t that what reflectors are for?” — at least you HAD reflectors.

Erok, I’m going to be supremely pissed if I wind up hospitalized by an idiot cyclist who refuses to follow rules. The whole “facilities vs. education” debate sidesteps the point that rules, and education about those rules, are just as important for bike facilities as for ordinary shared roads. I think any “safety in numbers” argument is flawed if it doesn’t accurately count bike/bike and bike/ped accidents.


erok
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did i say otherwise?


erok
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this isn’t pittsburgh, but i thought it worked in this thread. this is in philly.

Pedestrian Andre Steed passed away Saturday morning as a result of the injuries sustained in the hit and run with a bicyclist on October 15th.

Andre was a Paralegal for the law firm of Caesar, Rivise, Bernstein, Cohen & Pokotilow, Ltd. They are offering a reward of $10,000 for information that leads to the identification, arrest and conviction of the individual that struck and killed Andre…The cyclist has been described by witnesses as a white male, about 5’9″ tall, 140 pounds, in his late teens or early twenties, wearing a white hoodie with red spots in the background and riding a white mountain bike.

http://blog.bicyclecoalition.org/2009/10/andre-steed-dies-reward-for-hit-and-run.html


alankhg
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I got a nice deep cut on my finger from some guy riding the wrong way down the street with no lights who ran into me during the G20. He is a jagbag.

However, guys like that pose a lot less danger to me than some idiot with potential kilonewtons at their disposal, so my concern lies primarily with motorists.


Lyle
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“did I say otherwise?”

Never. I was just taking off from your comment about more bike/bike accidents.


Ohiojeff
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I agree with reddan. If you are walking your bike then you are a pedestrian, but otherwise you are a vehicle and have to treat traffic signals the same way you would in a car.

There is a red light exception, that is not in the PA bike laws, but may be elsewhere in the code and certainly has legal precedent behind it. Cycling lawyer Bob Mionske once wrote in Velonews about red lights that refuse to change. Sometimes there’s not enough metal in your bike to trip the loop detector in the pavement and cause the light to change. In that case you are legally allowed to run the light after making sure there is no traffic coming etc., just as you might in a car if the light didn’t change after a couple of minutes and there wasn’t any other traffic. From your perspective it is a malfunctioning traffic signal because it is keeping you from continuing legally.


mark
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i was talking to some kids in nyc like 3 years ago who said for a while they were charging bikers with crazy fines for running redlights for a little bit so they were hopping off their bikes, running the redlights by foot, and hopping back on around cops, hoping for jaywalking tickets instead. insanity.


JZ
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This morning, I was driving to work. I was coming down Neville towards Fifth. The lights at fifth were all red, so I was just coasting, with my foot hovering over the brake pedal. Not going very fast. Guy on a bike on my right, just a couple of yards ahead of my car. He’s also coasting up to the light- not cranking at all.

Suddenly, with no signalling whatsoever, he makes a left in front of me, going all the way over to the far corner.

Lucky for both of us, my foot was over the brake already, and I was watching out.

Last night, I was walking my dog down Elmer Street. I was on the sidewalk, as was the dog. Suddenly, a guy on a new-looking Trek comes flying around the (blind) building corner, on the sidewalk, and almost takes out both me and the dog.

Grn.


quizbot
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I was thanked by a cop for stopping at the Millvale/Liberty red light last night. “Most of you guys just blow through” he said. I dunno…. most cyclists that I see DO stop or at least creep slowly. Why do motorists & some cops have the misconception that everyone is blowing through red lights?


reddan
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Why do motorists & some cops have the misconception that everyone is blowing through red lights?

Maybe because those who do are more noticeable? A cyclist stopped at a light, next to a car or bus or something, doesn’t catch the eye nearly as well as the cyclist who is the only thing moving across the flow of traffic…


Mick
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quizbot: I was thanked by a cop …

Meta-messages.

Cop-to-self: “Oh, a citizen,” instead of “WTF?”

And then, maybe a positive realization of “Hey! I can talk to these guys!” The interaction of traffic cops with their clientele could get discouraging, I’m guessing.


myddrin
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Maybe because those who do are more noticeable? A cyclist stopped at a light, next to a car or bus or something, doesn’t catch the eye nearly as well as the cyclist who is the only thing moving across the flow of traffic…

I think that is the case and I think the reverse is true as well. We remember the driver who pushed us over into the curb (happened to me at 5th and Neville), but not the other 100 cars that were just there.

I know I always endeavor, whether driving or cycling, to be visible but not memorable.


steevo
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Yesterday. I was in car going down Liberty to Heron

and Liberty intersection.

Truck is turning left in left lane. I go in right

lane to pass and continue inbound.

Helmetless dude wearing headphones blows the light

coming down Heron, makes a left onto liberty nearly

crashing into me. He didnt see the car cause the

truck was blocking it (try to visualize)….

I honk. He flips me off. I have a “i share the

road with cyclists” bumper sticker and visualize

myself getting out to explain how dumb this kid

is and see the escalation that would ensue.

Douche bag.


erok
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yer like “DUDE, I was on the Critical Mass that went on the Boulevard of the Frickin’ ALLIES!!”

sorry, inside joke that maybe only steevo will get.


Mick
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I think that is the case and I think the reverse is true as well. We remember the driver who pushed us over into the curb (happened to me at 5th and Neville), but not the other 100 cars that were just there.

I do think I will remember that woman whose car was just there – as she tried to pull on her panyhose before the light changed.

Mick


StuInMcCandless
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Time to pull out this oldie but goodie. We’ve seen a lot of stupidity on two wheels. Time to call people out.


jonawebb
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Thanks, @stu!


Benzo
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Random middle aged guy on a BSO riding on the white line between the left and center lanes on forbes ave against heavy traffic. Caused lots of swerves by drivers. I think he turned off the street after a few blocks.

Another random middle aged guy wearing a helmet and a backpack riding down bigelow @ bayard street intersection against opposing traffic. I yelled “wrong lane dude” and he just gave me a hand wave and dismissed me. He was mostly hugging the edge of the road on the wrong side of the street, traffic was light.


scott
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Older lady on East End Ave late morning today riding the wrong way coming straight at me. She says, “hello.” I say firmly but politely, “You’re riding on the wrong side of the street.” We avoid crashing. Look behind me, she has not moved to the other side, but now she is riding straight towards an oncoming car…


byogman
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This morning was unusual for having two middle aged cyclists on Darlington coming the wrong way at me on the bike train between Wightman and Murray. I was occupying the center, as I generally do there, and they were a bit indecisive about which side of me they wanted to be on, settling for my right, which seemed even more wrong, but who knows, maybe their plan was turn turn south on Wightman the wrong way up the bike lane?

I’ll also put myself on the list now for some rather self serving… what me, respect a no turn on red when there’s nobody coming? and, and now I’m a car, now I’m a pedestrian, haha! maneuvers on the way back from camp drop-offs.


Swalfoort
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Two teenaged boys scared the crap out of me yesterday.

At 5:30 or so, as the evening commute started to wind down, they rode up Center Avenue from Washington Place (in front of Consol Energy) on the sidewalk. Mid block, without looking, they cross the eastbound lanes of Center Avenue, then proceed to ride the small concrete median for a short distance before crossing to the opposite sidewalk and continuing uphill. Each crossing between sidewalk and median (and opposite sidewalk) was a diagonal move, and required them to interact with at least one motor vehicle.

Two midblock crossings, riding (and entering traffic from) the center median) and sidewalk riding on both sides of the street. Sort of a trifecta of bad moves.


jonawebb
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Here’s what I see weekends in Squirrel Hill that bothers me:
1. Folks riding on sidewalks. You belong in the street, riding with traffic. For kids, I can understand it. But you’re not a kid.
2. Folks riding against traffic. Ride with traffic.
3. Folks experimenting with other options than just riding with traffic. Such as on Forbes near Schenley Drive last week, some guy starts out on the right side, crosses to the left, then toodles along against the left hand curb. Yes, riding with traffic is scary. But don’t make up your own rules.

Basically, there are a lot a lot of inexperienced folks out there who are afraid to plunge in and run with the bulls, as Scott B. put it. But there’s really no better way to ride.
And we need more cycling classes, and publicity. Maybe some open-entry short informal classes on weekends in areas where people ride a lot?


edmonds59
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So I’m seeing some convergence here; My earlier concern about bicyclists possibly using the uphill bike lane on 40th as a (speedy) downhill, byogman’s encounter with the doofuses going the wrong way on Darlington, and the 69 year old bicyclist dying from a collision going the wrong way, in the “Out of Town news” thread. There’s a theme.
I have thoughts to elaborate on Jonawebb’s comment that I need to sort more effectively, as well.


StuInMcCandless
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Well, that didn’t take long. The first time I mount the camera after reviving this thread, I almost get taken out by a stupid cyclist, and got the whole thing on video.

As I say in the video: Published on Aug 5, 2015
“6th Ave at Wood St, Pittsburgh. I’m on a bike and stop for a red, actually getting stuck in the crosswalk rather than run the red. I wait out the red while a bus and a truck turn on their green. I get the green, start to move, and almost get hit by cyclist crossing on the red from the sidewalk. He then turns to either salmon up the street into a bus, or jump on a different crowded sidewalk.”

We could also talk about the first cyclist, in the orange shirt, whose running the red caused the motorist in front of me to have to wait, which caused me to miss the light, and set up that interaction in the first place, but at least he was kindasorta doing the right thing by riding in the street in the proper direction.

In other news, look closely at the bus. The headsign reads “Training bus” and the female driver has a white shirt on. That means student driver. So, they’re hiring and training new drivers. That generally is a good thing.


Mick
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I was going up Atwood towards BAtes. The light was red and if i hurried, I would catch it when it turned gren..

Suddenly, silently a bike came out of Cable place. No stop or even slow for the sign. Looking at his misnamed “smart” phone. Just gliding along.

I tried to pass him on his right, but he drifted right. I tried to pass him on the left and he drifted left.

Suddenly he looked up and realized that if he didn’t rush, he’s wouldn’t make the light.

With a flick of the wrist -evidently he had an electric assist – he accellerated rapidly and made it through the light as it turned red. I was stuck at the light, cursing his sorry hipster ass.

I’m not sure that I will like electric bikes.

This happened last week.


edmonds59
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So to complete my thought that was seeded by jonawebb’s comment re: inexperienced bicyclists, It is my opinion that we do not need or want specialized classes for bicyclists, any more than we need specialized classes for pedestrians, and I need to explain that fully for it to make complete sense. The vast majority of bicyclists are also drivers, and all bicyclists and drivers are at some point pedestrians. We have bad cycling behavior because we have the shittiest possible, nearly nonexistent, approach to DRIVER education. Formal driver education isn’t even a requirement to obtaining a license to operate a vehicle, at least in PA. You can read a pamphlet, if that, go take an absurdly inadequate test, and if you get lucky and get questions you happen to know, you are licensed to operate any 4,000 lb. 200 horsepower weapon of your choosing. If you happen to fail the test, you can re-take it as many times as you want at no detriment. The privilege of driving is assumed to be trivial and virtually automatic. Insane. You would think in a society as obsessed with movement and transportation as ours is, we would have a uniform, comprehensive, and mandatory TRANSPORTATION education system. Cyclists should know all the laws applicable to drivers, and vice versa, as pedestrians you get that knowledge for free. Rational countries with low vehicular death rates, and higher cycling rates, have far tougher licensing standards. The NL has cycling classes as part of ELEMENTARY school curriculum. Per the status quo, any rational alien observing from space would have to come to the conclusion that we are all actually encouraged to kill each other. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/08/car_crashes_kill_too_many_people_public_transit_walking_and_biking_could.html


jonawebb
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I disagree. I’ve been biking most of my life and learned things by reading Forester’s “Effective Cycling” recently. There’s a lot to know about how to deal with traffic, how you can to some extent control what happens around you, what to watch out for, etc., which can be taught in a class. And I’d really like people who haven’t cycled since they were children to be told by someone they respect to ride on the right side of the street.


edmonds59
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In our current system, you are right. But I’m saying that moving through the public realm needs to be taught to every person from an early age, and as a continuum – you aren’t taught to cycle as a child and then stop, then pick it up again when you reach driving age. It needs to be an escalating level of training as you operate more difficult and dangerous machinery, in relationship to the vehicle’s threat to others. And before you move up a grade, you need to understand the characteristics of the levels prior to that. That’s the hierarchical system the Dutch in particular have established.


Marko82
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It would be nice if the news media would comment on the correct/incorrect actions involved in crashes instead of all the drivel that usually accompanies their stores.

Case in point: the 16 year old that was hit earlier this week. Instead of running quotes from the kids friend who showed up after the accident, and therefore had minimal info to contribute; how about commenting that bikes are fully allowed to use the roadway, but that all vehicles (including bikes) are required to stop at stop signs and red lights. And then state that all vehicles are required to stop if involved in a crash (especially involving injury!) regardless of who is at fault. And state the possible legal consequences of not following said laws.


edmonds59
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If the media stated the actual legal consequences of hitting bicyclists, people would be a lot less fearful of hitting cyclists. (/snark/)


buffalo buffalo
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this morning, just after i got done making a ‘what the hell’ gesture at a Family Dollar truck that very nearly rolled through the light at Butler & 46th without slowing, a Green Gears/La Prima delivery bike passed several drivers and rolled through going the other direction without a pause….


chrishent
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@buffalo, on Monday evening, I was stopped at a red light on Penn and 9th, and a pedicab came around me and blew through the red, merely slowing down to check if the coast was clear. It has been my experience that this is fairly habitual, so I usually assume that it’s going to happen


ShooFlyPie
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I got one! Wanted to post it a while back but wasn’t going to start a thread for it. About two weeks ago I am doing a after work ride on my city hybrid bike. I get on the jail trail and this douche on a road bike and head to toe in spandex is tailgating me by inches. I never been tailed that close. Dude would not pass. If I slowed down he just kept tailing. Don’t know what his deal was. I don’t do grand fondos cause I like to ride alone with space. Don’t tailgate me with a car or a bike.


Jason-PGH
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“Instead of running quotes from the kids friend who showed up after the accident, and therefore had minimal info to contribute”

Hey, thanks Marko82, that was me! It would be correct I wasn’t an eyewitness, but I was on the scene before any of the paramedics and gathered statements from witnesses. I made it clear to all reporters that I talked to that I wasn’t an eyewitness, so do not go on my statements alone. I was merely trying to catch the guy who did it.


mjacobPGH
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@ShooFly,

He was probably “drafting” you which I have had someone do to me on the EFT; the guy actually told me that was what he was doing when he saw my startled reaction to a person 2 inches behind me w/o warning. It is indeed stupid especially when the person you are doing it to is unaware.


byogman
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I had a guy drafting me pretty close maybe a year ago or so.

Saw him when doing what I thought was a pro-forma check backward passing a couple joggers and was a bit irritated. When he stuck on I shouted back, hey, if you’re going to draft me, you need to ask… and take a turn at the front at some point. He apologized and said he couldn’t hold that pace into a headwind. That was enough of a compliment for me to say, ok, and let it, and him, slide the rest of the way along the EFT. He seemed appreciative.

As with just about everything else, it’s just about being considerate and clear about what you’re doing.


Mick
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A couple years ago, a guy posted here who drafted people without asking on EFT. Sometimes they would shake him by stopping or something, but when they got going again, he’d be back.

The drafter posted here because he thought the other riders were being silly trying to get rid of him – and he was utterly astonished that folks here suggested he might ask before drafting someone. “Why would I do that? People riding at that speed know what drafting is.”

Got my vote for clueless (and somewhat creepy) poster of the year.


Marko82
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@jason, no disrespect meant for you at all. I’m glad you were able to help out another human being in need, and to help ID the car. I was just pointing out the sorry state of journalism as it is practiced both in print and TV. Not only did they not comment on the illegality of the driver not stopping after the crash, there was no follow-up reporting on how the community identified the vehicle within hours, how the kid is doing, or what charges are pending against the driver for fleeing the crash with injury. So the casual viewer is left with the impression that the kid ran the light and got what he deserved; rather than that the kid made a bad decision (and paid dearly for it) but no such criticism of the driver.

I hate the way they always lead their newscast with fire-porn too. Someone just experienced the most horrific experiences they are likely to, and they stick a camera and microphone in their face. It’s shameful.


Jason-PGH
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@marko82. Sorry, I thought it was meant as an offense. I think the news didn’t cover the story correctly. They did try by interviewing Scott about the safety of the intersection, but, I agree with you, they didn’t even make it clear that the driver violated a serious law and the community was able to find the car within hours.


StuInMcCandless
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No time at the moment, but making a note to myself to relate my Allen Costantini story later.

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