Love your bike. Lock it right.

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StuInMcCandless
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Profile about 9 months old, so yeah, he got caught up in the same problem as what caused a lot of profiles to disappear in the website switch in Jan-Feb, maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of the accounts on the message board.


ericf
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@drewbacca, @stefb, @gg, @stuinmccandless,
Does this have to permeate every thread on this board? If it is that important to identify gg as hcurtis, please stop interrupting my conversations and start a thread. Otherwise,respectfully, SHUT UP ABOUT IT!


buffalo buffalo
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Except that hcurtis wasn’t “caught up in the same problem”, he was banned for repeated racist and otherwise offensive comments. And that, I think, *is* significant.


ericf
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THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT LOCKING YOUR BIKE. CAN WE TRY TO STAY ON TOPIC? PLEASE START ANOTHER THREAD IF YOU HAVE OTHER ISSUES TO DISCUSS.


jonawebb
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Yeah, but if I can make a small suggestion: maybe hcurtis/gg could change his account again and then we can have fun figuring out who he is?


mr marvelous
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@ericf I think the point everyone is making is hcurtis racism is important. It is easy to say send it to another thread. Many people say that about things that aren’t important to them or doesn’t affect them. For me I can never send it to another thread because it’s in every thread of my life without escape. I am thankful for those of you who don’t except it and protect every thread, and not sending it away so we can pretend it doesn’t exist and go back to being happy and talking about locks again. Maybe if we address it in every thread then it’s the first step in removing it completely because it can no longer be ignored.
Now go back to talking about locks and I’m going back to Facebook where I belong.


stefb
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Really? I think most of the threads here go off topic.


jonawebb
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I’m not going to argue with @mm about r how racist comments hurt–how could I? But I think it’s a, good thing to let things go if you can. It makes you a better person. And hcurtis hasn’t said anything racist in his current incarnation as gg. So that would be one way to deal with it.


angel71529
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well question then….how do we know the thief or thieves aren’t from new york city?? and i had a 7500 dollar colnago bike stolen and i had it u locked! ! i believe it was grinded right through. …the lock was left right there where my bike was….sucks. and i had that kryptonite u lock!! and it was wire locked as well. i have named this person or persons the bike bully. seriously. the bike bully.


Drewbacca
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^ we don’t know that the thief isn’t shipping the bike elsewhere. A high end bike being targeted is certainly a concern. It could just be coincidence that it was a more expensive bike…

an angle grinder isn’t a likely tool of some neighborhood kid looking for a ride home… although, they aren’t super expensive either if you go the harbor freight route.

If recent threats are organized, than that is a serious concern.


jonawebb
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My hope is that somebody will track down one or more of the bikes and that will lead to a cache of them. Given the scale of what’s going on, I think it’s quite likely that there’s at least a minimal level of organization behind it. I’ll bet there’s somebody out there with a few or more stolen bikes cached in their basement or someplace like that.
I’ve looked for the bikes on Craigslist and no dice on nearby cities, but all that says is that the thieves aren’t stupid enough to list their bikes on an easily searched site like that, or they haven’t gotten around to posting them there. It would be good to, say, visit flea markets and check them against the stolen bikes page.


angel71529
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well supposedly the pitt police spotted a kid arrested for bike theft last year cause some other drs bike was stolen. i sure hope so. my bike was very very expensive. and from what i heard from a few people i know as well that haven’t posted about their bikes that three of them had u locks as well. so im NOT so sure that arent smart. they gotta be


Drewbacca
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Just knowing that someone used a u-lock isn’t sufficient…

What kind of u-lock? Some are easy to pick.
How was the bicycle/frame attached to the lock?
What was the bike attached to?

I’ve heard stories of u-locks being picked with a bic pen. I’ve seen u-locks attached to a wheel but the frame wasn’t secure and thus stolen. I’ve seen signage/meters/etc. removed or fences cut, in order to steal a bike.

Using a u-lock is only the first half of the battle.

There are leverage attacks which can be prevented. There is poor lock placement too. Taking an angle-grinder to a lock is the last and most extreme… if four bikes were stolen that way, it needs to be documented so encourage your friends to get on here and share their story (assuming they are from Pittsburgh, that is).


atown
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The bic pen issue was with older U-Locks (I think like a decade ago) and they have since fixed it. Of course, people might still be using them.

I think this might be a cause of some of the missing bikes that rely on U-Locks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9fLtdZyX-A

Takes 36 seconds and much quieter than an angle-grinder.

Sheldon Brown recommend this method of locking on his site but I have to say this is maybe the one instance where he wasn’t giving the best advice.


StuInMcCandless
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I have one of the old Bic pen U-locks, but I don’t routinely use it. They are not all that common anymore, and even if you saw it, you might not realize how easy it is to pick, so if you were looking to steal something, you’d pass it up.

More importantly, my daughter was relying on a cheap (sub-$10 new) U-lock for a while, but it seized up on her one day, leaving her lock-less. Guess what: The bike was gone in a week.

Spend the money. Get a *good* lock. Figure on dropping $30 or so.


gg
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Sheldon is a great resource, but just throwing a U-lock around a wheel wasn’t good advice. Gotta be around the frame as well. One advantage of riding a track bike because the geometry is so tight. Even my smaller NYC lock fits around both back wheel and frame. Not so luck with my winter ride. I go around frame and through spokes. Even though I do all that, I also put a chain around the front wheel and frame. That is a lot of cutting, but if someone wants something bad enough, they can get it. Still, most would probably go to a different bike if you are locked up requiring two or more cuts.


Drewbacca
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I don’t think sheldon got it wrong, per se… it’s a potential weak point for sure.

I use the Sheldon method if I’m parked for an hour or less at a business. If I was going to park in a garage while at work, I’d keep a second u-lock on the rack at the garage and lock up with a second u-lock through the frame itself. Likewise, I’d use a couple of u-locks for overnight parking (I’d probably pull the front wheel off and lock it up in the back as well).

Even with the hacksaw through the wheel approach, that’s a lot more dedication than the average thief carrying a pair of wire-cutters and looking for bikes with cable locks.

It can’t be emphasized enough to use more than one lock if you are leaving your bike unattended for several hours (at a regular location). But for the most part, a u-lock will be ignored and the thief will move on to an easier target. Of course, it depends on the thief…


jonawebb
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gg
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Wonder where the Vier lock will be sourced for production? Will it be American made?


ErinK
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Definitely like the packable size, but you still need a cable to secure the other wheel. Will be interesting to see if it’s as strong as a one-piece U-Lock body.


jonawebb
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The nice thing is that they can easily make longer shackle bars, so it could be used through both wheels.
The site shows measurements of strength (looks like trying to pull it apart only). I’d be more worried about a jack attack.
There’s lots of stuff there about sourcing components. I’d encourage anyone with questions to ask them there.


Marko82
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I saw this bike “locked” in SouthSide park the other day. There is this strong metal railing right there. Oh well… at least a thief would have to break a spoke or two in order to ride away.


ErinK
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I’ve done that by accident at least once.


helen s
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When I see bikes “locked” like that I sometimes move them enough the owners will realize someone could have just carried it away.


RustyRed
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Hot Mess sighted at PNC Park:


Benzo
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Don’t even think of using the racks outside the CVS at center ave and Craig St. Not even bolted in to the ground. The other ones have loose bolts or are very unstable.

Maybe this is a trap. Someone locks up and goes inside, while someone unscrews the bolts by hand and takes your bike.


Pierce
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Locking graphic that shows somebody using a U-Lock to lock to a wheel:

Why not use the more durable lock on the frame? (image is using chain and U-Lock) Kind of a crappy graphic in general. Rarely if ever are wheels reported stolen


J Z
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Check this out, add on to a standard U. Krypto mini + U. Secondary shackle looks useful. Anyone have one of these & can review?

http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/new-bike-gear-previews/new-bike-locks-kryptonite


jonawebb
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Saw this gem on Murray Ave this afternoon.


Benzo
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Secondary shackle thing looks cool. The locks are now a bit longer and wider, with a slightly thinner but harder metal shackle. This means that the lock will be able to get around wider posts.

The gravity skewers, not sure I like them at all. I’m not sold. I tried a set of non-kryptonite branded ones and stopped using them. They were a bit of a pain, and didn’t work well with my horizontal dropouts. Kind of curious to see how the kryptonite version works though.


Marko82
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I saw these two bikes using the wave racks outside Aldis on the SouthSide and thought I’d share.


edmonds59
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How do some people get their shoes on in the morning?? (facepalm)


paulheckbert
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Bike theft and police use of bait bikes with GPS trackers is covered in an episode of Hot Pursuit tv show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9gOjBhk1q0


StuInMcCandless
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Great idea. Now can someone actually *do* that here? Losing your bike is a damned annoyance, at the very least.


Marko82
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Here is a technique that’s sure to work
A Serious Swarm Of Bees Is Devouring A Bike In Midtown
http://gothamist.com/2015/08/04/bees_on_a_bike.php


Swalfoort
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We have a rack at our office building that is used more or less regularly. Over the past couple of months, two of the four bolts holding it into the concrete have mysteriously disappeared, and one of the remaining two is loosened to the point of being only hand tight. People continue to use it, although not all that happily.

Management is unconcerned, as they would prefer that tenants use the newly installed “wave” rack located at the periphery of the property. Unfortunately, that rack is in a more isolated/more theft prone location, has construction occurring in the immediate vicinity AND falls within the spray zone of the automatic sprinklers.

And management wonders why people prefer to use the less securely bolted rack in the plaza!


jonawebb
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It’s easy to secure those bolts. Use new bolts, dip them in epoxy first, put some in the hole, and screw them in.


mjacobPGH
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Mikhail
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Claim:

Attack:


Benzo
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Find new nuts, put them on the bolts. Get a hammer. Bend smash the bolts so they are bent somewhat sideways, preventing the Nuts from being removed, or at least deform the treads enough to prevent easy removal. Or don’t do this, could be considered vandalism.

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