Local Pedestrian CRASH page

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Marko82
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In light of the couple killed in the hill district last week (Henry Walker and Carol Williamson), I thought we ought to start a thread of local incidents where Pedestrians are killed or injured by cars.

We all become pedestrians at some point during our travels regardless of the transport mode – train, car, bus, bike or even horse drawn carriage. So lets make our roads safe for pedestrians, and lets start keeping track of incidents.


Marko82
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Woman struck, killed in parking lot of Monroeville Giant Eagle
“An 87-year-old woman died Tuesday after she was struck by a vehicle in the parking lot of the Monroeville Giant Eagle.”
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/east/2015/11/03/Woman-struck-killed-in-parking-lot-of-Monroeville-Giant-Eagle/stories/201511030222


chrishent
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Envision Downtown has done some research on this as well. They’ve compiled and illustrated locations of all pedestrian/vehicle collisions in downtown from 2007-2014:

http://www.envisiondowntown.com/new-blog/2015/6/9/downtown-pedestrian-crashes-2007-2014

The gist? Ross St intersections are the likeliest place for you to get hit by a vehicle while you are crossing the street


J Z
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StuInMcCandless
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There was one on Greentree Road a month or so ago. I recall a thread about it.


J Z
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Police: Motorist Runs Stop Sign, Hits McKees Rocks Crossing Guard

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015/11/04/police-motorist-runs-stop-sign-hits-mckees-rocks-crossing-guard/#.VjopFwoEsJ4.twitter

Apparently, the driver blew through a stop sign, said that the sun was purportedly in his eyes. Throught I read that he was going to be charged.


Swalfoort
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post deleted – duplicate comments


Swalfoort
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From another thread; breaking news of a pedestrian hit near the intersection of 20th and Carson on the South Side.


chrishent
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Pitt student struck by PAT bus traveling on outbound bus lane on Fifth Ave, near University Pl. He’s in good condition:

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2015/11/10/University-of-Pittsburgh-student-struck-by-Port-Authority-bus-in-Oakland/stories/201511100170


Jason-PGH
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This is getting ridiculous, especially in Oakland.


StuInMcCandless
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I have a Facebook friend who was on the bus, witnessed the incident, called 911 and took photos.

I think it would be best if I did not repeat her highly descriptive post here.


ROMO
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So at what point do the organizations responsible for the roads in Oakland figure out that something is terribly wrong and take action? It seems like every week or so we’ve been getting stories like this. We can’t wait until the possible federal funding in 2017 to do anything.


StuInMcCandless
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In this particular case, there isn’t a design fault, I don’t think. This one is more a matter of thinking to look both ways before stepping off the curb.


ROMO
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The news stories do indicate that the person attempted to j-walk in front of a bus, so it was their own fault. However, I still think that having a road with 6 lanes of traffic and having that road be a major pedestrian thoroughfare with crossings is stupid.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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@stu: It may not technically be a “design” fault, but isn’t it a structural fault? Having a 4 lane road (and regardless of the posted speed limits, traffic goes just as fast as they can) running right down the middle of Pennsylvania’s third largest commercial district, which houses 30K students within walking distance is a recipe for disaster.

So regardless of whether the victim was j-walking or not, this was predictable. 4 lanes of traffic + thousands of pedestrians = unhappy endings.


StuInMcCandless
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No, this is the same sort of stupid as pedestrians walking out in front of cyclists on the Penn Ave bike lane. I don’t think you can fix it with infrastructure. There’s plenty of signage. We cannot save people from themselves.

Would it help to build tunnels under or pedestrian bridges over Fifth? It might, but there will still be pedestrians crossing the street, and there will still be vehicular traffic, be it 20-pound bikes or 20-ton buses.


buffalo buffalo
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Four lanes traffic + one lane contra-flow bus traffic + parking + 40K pedestrians (don’t forget faculty and staff, who may be more used to Fifth’s terrors but still have to walk around the area…) = numerous unhappy endings just in the ten years I’ve lived here. When I started at Pitt (transferred in 2003), there were jokes about the annual sacrifice to the Bus Lane Gods…

Frankly, I’m surprised there aren’t more incidents on Forbes–three lanes traffic + parking, just as many pedestrians, but fewer intersections (none between Bouquet and Bigelow, only one between Bigelow and Bellefield…), and more cross traffic at the intersections that do exist.


FunkyDung
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“When I started at Pitt (transferred in 2003), there were jokes about the annual sacrifice to the Bus Lane Gods…”

When I started at Pitt in 1995, those sacrifices were much more frequent. The timing of lights was changed 10 or 15 years ago, and there have been far fewer casualties as a result.


Mick
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There was a medical student, later an MD, John Picone, who campaigned against the 5th ave bus lane in the late 1980’s and early 90’s.

Not much on the ‘net from that time, but

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1144&dat=19900630&id=0kQgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=75YEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5162,7385377&hl=en

And (with references to proposed rail commute for Oakland):

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=19900703&id=KloNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=oG4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4963,214626&hl=en


buffalo buffalo
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Pitt News story on yesterday’s crash: http://pittnews.com/65301/news/port-authority-bus-hits-pitt-student/

Mentions, without further comment, that he is “the fifth reported person hit by a bus on Pitt’s campus since the beginning of October.”


Mikhail
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No, this is the same sort of stupid as pedestrians walking out in front of cyclists on the Penn Ave bike lane. I don’t think you can fix it with infrastructure.

I think it’s possible to fix it with infrastructure. Move cars and buses under surface, leave surface for pedestrians and bicycles.


Vannevar
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Personally, I wonder about declaring the streets with Pitt academic buildings as “school zones” with the 15 mph speed limit. Add CMU and Carlow.

http://vannevar.blogspot.com/2015/11/a-modest-proposal-to-fix-oakland.html


byogman
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Really nice thought, and nice work. Now, how do we make this happen and, critically, get enforcement?

I think there is some desire to do something but there’s a big shrug over lanes and parking until BRT is mapped which could make this something people consider who wouldn’t otherwise.

This should be in conjunction with light timing changes that make this lower speed the new flow rate to stay in a green wave.


Mikhail
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Add CMU and Carlow

And Duquesne University


StuInMcCandless
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Infrastructure change that wouldn’t involve 10 years of digging the street up: Remove a traffic lane and not repurpose it for anything, just add a few feet of buffer beyond the sidewalk, on both sides.

What we’re really talking about here is reducing car traffic lanes to one, inbound, on Fifth. If you can figure out how to make that change, then that opens up a lot of possibilities.


edmonds59
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It’s odd that when you bring thousands of suburban and rural post-teens who have never learned to function in an urban environment, with sidewalks, or possibly ever traveled anywhere that isn’t by car, that some of them get hit by buses.
(For those with broken sarcasm detectors, here be it)


Drewbacca
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I would love to see a study on 5th the whole way down to Penn. I swear, if you reduced it to two lanes, a bike lane, and a turning lane at the lights traffic would probably actually move FASTER (as in less stopping, not overall speed).

I’m all for reduced lanes through campus, Pitt’s campus could be world class if it didn’t have a highway through the center of it.


buffalo buffalo
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Guerilla traffic speed monitoring, Forbes at Schenley Extension: https://github.com/mbauman/TrafficSpeed

“I don’t have a RADAR gun, but I do have a cell phone and access to the Cathedral of Learning. At about 3:15pm on Friday afternoon, I recorded 10 minutes of traffic on Forbes Ave” and analyzed the video for traffic speeds.

I’m sure nobody will be surprised to read they found that, in just this ten-minute sample, “two cars were caught going over 40 miles per hour in this 25MPH zone. Ten others were between 35-40 miles per hour. And one oblivious driver ran the red light. Assuming this random 10-minute segment is representative of afternoon traffic, one out of every twenty vehicles exceeds 34 MPH (bootstrapped 95% confidence interval is 33-37 MPH).”

[No statistician I, I’m not sure how strongly you can make that assumption. Clearly the solution is to do further monitoring…]


mbauman
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Matt here! Long time lurker. I agree that it’s not conclusive that the traffic is representative from this dataset alone. But I don’t think it’s abnormal. I didn’t cherry-pick the time (it’s just when I happened to think of the idea and get a chance to record the data) or the data itself.

Regardless of its applicability to other time-periods, the point stands that one out of every twenty cars I observed were exceeding 34MPH. And the bootstrapped confidence interval gives you an idea of the certainty in this number given the data… but you’re right it’s not conclusive.

I’ve also been talking to BikePittsburgh staff about this — and we’d love to gather more data! It’ll take some more manpower, but I think it’s doable. Let me know if you’re interested in helping out!


StuInMcCandless
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Hook this up to show results in real time, put a video camera on the ground to get plate numbers, and just mail warnings to everyone speeding. Do that for a few weeks and see if anything changes.


RustyRed
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StuInMcCandless
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Seeing tweets about a 25yo male struck by a flatbed tractor trailer on West Carson. No details yet.

Investigators say this is the truck that hit pedestrian on the West End Cir. About to be towed for inspection. #WPXI pic.twitter.com/6lAc4IFbCa— Aaron Martin (@WPXIAaronMartin) November 24, 2015

Another picture:

This is the material found near the truck that struck the pedestrian. Truck's been moved, traffic backed up. #WPXI pic.twitter.com/ylgMIG2JNA— Aaron Martin (@WPXIAaronMartin) November 24, 2015


chrishent
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More on yesterday’s pedestrian collision. Unfortunately, he died last night:

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2015/11/25/Pedestrian-hit-by-truck-in-West-End-dies-pittsburgh/stories/201511250276

The article mentions that he was walking along one of the ramps on the WEC.


StuInMcCandless
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Where exactly did this happen? Which ramp, going which way, on what side of the street? At 1:30 p.m., visibility should not have been an issue.

Since the man was from out of town (article said Buffalo NY), is it possible that he didn’t know there was a staircase available? A different question would need to be asked if there is none available for where he was going.

Or was he where nobody should ever be, like in the driving chute between Corliss and WEC? And how did he get there? Is there a signage issue?

Whatever caused it, stuff like this simply should not happen. I don’t know how we get to that, though.


edmonds59
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The picture of the “material” looks like the inside of the inside of the curve coming inbound from Main Street onto West Carson. I can definitely see how, if a pedestrian was at that location, how they could get crushed against the barrier as the flatbed turned. A pedestrian should not have been here, for any reason. Having said that, a truck driver should certainly have been able to see a person there, at 1:30 in the afternoon, and should not have been going fast enough that they couldn’t stop before hitting someone. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4438176,-80.0275349,3a,75y,141.98h,80.37t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQQbdktUnp7mPzzd06Z9Ydg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DQQbdktUnp7mPzzd06Z9Ydg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D100.98228%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656


Marko82
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WESA traffic reporter is reporting a pedestrian hit by car at the intersection of Brownsville Road and Nobles Lane in Carrick

Not sure if they used ‘crash’ or ‘accident’.

Edit: they are saying “a pedestrian was struck”


buffalo buffalo
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WPXI reports victim is 6 years old, “injuries minor”.


RustyRed
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Pedestrian hit and killed in Hempfield Township

http://www.wtae.com/news/state-police-investigating-fatal-rt-66-accident/36805310

According to the coroner’s office, Robert Yednak Jr., 32, of Greensburg, was attempting to cross Route 66 with another person when a Honda Civic struck both individuals. Yednak died at the scene.

Route 66 closed between Poplar Drive and Bushy Run Road (Route 993) while the police investigated.

An autopsy is scheduled for Saturday.

The cause and manner of death is pending toxicology results.

The condition of the other person struck was not immediately available.


ErinK
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I heard of two pedestrian vs car incidents on S. Braddock at Biddle (near the ballfield in Frick Park) but there wasn’t any news coverage. (I assume neither involved a fatality.) I think it was October or early November. Heard about this through colleagues on the local road safety committee.

As far as Oakland traffic goes, the visitors are another significant factor. A lot of drivers there have come from the suburbs or farther out, aren’t used to processing all the traffic on congested city streets, are not sure which building they need to find and where they can park, and possibly are running late to an important doctor’s appointment, have a frail relative in the car, are stressed out for many reasons. They frequently are not at their best. I think that UPMC has done a lot in the past 20 years to streamline patient access, but it’s still confusing.


jonawebb
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Elderly driver hits two parked cars, woman near Doubletree hotel on Centre
http://m.wpxi.com/news/news/local/elderly-driver-hits-injures-pedestrian-pittsburgh/nphzn/

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