Dangerous Drivers Thread, vol. 2

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buffalo buffalo
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Another thread has hit the board’s 25-page limit, so here’s volume 2 of the Dangerous Drivers Thread, “where you can share your pictures, stories, descriptions of dangerous drivers.”

This thread continues from page 26 of the original, here: https://bikepgh.org/mb/topic/dangerous-drivers-thread/page/26/


Mick
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About 1 pm Wednesday. A white pickup truck pulled out through a red light on Dawson street to make a left. I’m pretty sure the guy looked at me coming before he pulled out in front of me and made me stop. He had to stop in the middle of my lane because a car was coming up that lane.

It was an old white guy in a white pickup truck – matches the description of the guy who killed a cyclist at the corner of Meyron and Louisa St. Could this be the same guy?

He looked hostile and clueless – the way he might look if he were, say, drunk at 1 pm.


StuInMcCandless
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Didn’t get a look at the driver, it happened so fast.

PA plate JFT-5505, dark blue-ish ???sedan.

I’m southbound on Perry Hwy on that 250-yard snippet just south of Willi’s Ski Shop. I’m in the right lane, and several cars and a couple trucks pass me in the left lane without problem. Then this car pulls into the right lane to pass a truck passing me and manages to execute a thread-the-needle pass at good clip, probably 35-40 mph. Missed me by mere inches.

Have a look.The first 50 seconds shows routine passing. The next 15 seconds are pretty scary.

The left lane becomes a left-turn-only at the light. But meanwhile, there are two lanes to carry what’s typically only one lane of traffic. I’m in the right lane, by law and necessity. There is no shoulder. Because the hillside next to the curb lane is constantly providing it with eroded dirt and branches, plus the usual car debris and other litter, so while the lane looks fairly wide, it is not, so I have to stay out in the center of the lane. But there is a perfectly good left lane to pass me. And the tractor-trailer does just that, as did the half dozen vehicles before it. The problem happens when someone tries to pass the left-lane truck in the right lane, and bingo, there I am.

I have at least three videos of people doing something stupid on this stretch, and have tweeted a dozen other incidents.


mattjackets
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Wow Stu, I think that’s the worst I’ve seen around here…and I’ve seen some pretty intentional aggression. I hope you reported that to the police. Regardless, I’m glad you made it!


Mick
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On my last ugly driver: I should have gotten a license plate.

I don’t know the details, but I hope that the killer of Ruihui Lin would still be on probation or parole or something. If I reported the license plate to various folks – the mayor, Bike-Pgh, police chief, etc., then if it WAS that killer, maybe someone could have an semi-official talk with him.

Or, if it wasn’t the killer – and it seems most likely that it was not – I wouldn’t be casting aspersions here.


gg
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Stu, I am speechless after seeing that. Wow, imagine having that little regard for human life. Glad you are okay and survived that. I literally lost my breath watching that damn video.


mscal
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For anyone who rides on station square drive.

I take the shuttle from the west station square drive parking lot to my office in town. Yesterday afternoon on the way home a cyclist was in front of the bus and the driver started ranting about cyclists being on the road instead of the trail (which was covered in ice, but anyway). He’s normally a pretty nice guy, so maybe he was in a bad mood or was having a rough day but when he said something like if it wasn’t for the fact that I’d open the door and hit this guy with something”. I decided to share with everyone.

And now for the craigslist missed connection part of my post: it was 4:45 and you looked cold. You were riding a fixed gear bike and had a messenger bag…. I’m sorry for how close that guys was to you. He should have either laid off or passed once traffic stopped in the other direction.


mattjackets
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Here’s another driver using the Panther Hollow trail as a shortcut. Older white male in an unmarked, older minivan, didn’t catch the plate unfortunately.

They guy slowed down to pass, but floored it when he saw me turn around to get his plate. :( City still won’t lock the gates to the trail…


mjacobPGH
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You need to report that to Zone 4 for enforcement in the area. The city has locked the gates only to have the locks cut off(presumably by residents who do this): the only thing that’s ultimately going to prevent it is catching and citing the offenders.


mattjackets
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I was wondering why they welded covers over the lock last time they worked on preventing this problem. Do you know if they’ve been cut off since they reinforced the gates? It seems like the city has just given up on the problem the last few months.

I’ll look into contacting zone 4, but if you know of someone I should contact in particular, send me a PM.


neilmd
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The north gate was closed last evening at 5 or so. Last week I ran into (almost literally) a city salt truck tha seemed to be using the shortcut.


Jason-PGH
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Haven’t had much action on this thread in a while so here’s one:

ZFZ-3004 – White Chevy 4×4 truck, 2 male drivers, both bearded and wearing hats, 9:30 PM, Highland and Centre Avenue.

I was traveling towards target on Centre Avenue taking the right hand lane on Centre Avenue, as I am legally and supposed to. A truck revved it’s engine and passed in front of me as the two lanes on Centre turn to three, I was going to continue straight, but I was hooked by the truck into making a right hand turn onto Highland. I called him an, “a-hole” and shouted out his plate number, as well as alerting him to the 4-foot passing law and that he is on camera (he’s not.) He revved his engine again, spraying me with cinders and black smoke. Traffic was heavy on Highland so I was able to stay behind him and gain more information on the vehicle. I kept my distance and made sure there were bystanders nearby. He was shouting profanities as he turned left onto Alder. This is the route I take to get home so I also turned left onto Alder. He slowed down, blew more smoke, and told me to stop following him. I shouted that I couldn’t hear him, didn’t care, and to leave me alone. He then proceeded to turn right onto Shady, as did I, allowing one car between us. He harassed another group of cyclists heading the other way on Shady and proceeded up the hill. Would not like to run into him again, be careful.


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I also had an over-sized pickup truck run-in this weekend with two hicks on Beechwood. Coming down the “bike lane” on Beechwood towards Browns Hill road where the road curves and the “bike lane” is a parking zone. A large over-sized bigman truck came hauling down and almost hit me within less of a foot while laying on his horn with not even an attempt to slow down or any concern if I made it home to see my wife and son again.

I caught up to him at the light after it just turned red and both occupants were slobby morbidly obese low IQ looking types. I rode up to the side of his over-sized man truck. He was yelling and his face was all red about how I shouldn’t be on the road and he was going to run me over with his truck. Because being a morbidly obese redneck using a huge truck to threaten violence is anything but cowardly. I am surprised the fatass didn’t drop over from a heart attack. During the remaining time the light was red I gave him my evil look and had to restrain my anger the best I could. I just left it to insults. I haven’t been that angry with another driver in about a year cycling and I cycle a lot.

Plate number YJK-8732. Harper Auto Group-Belle Vernon, PA. Two rednecks, 55+, very overweight (board-line morbidly obese), smoking large cigars, inbred looking, cowardly, and threatening violence with his bigman truck. I will be looking at all large red Ford trucks looking for this plate number. I want to see this fat fuck again.


StuInMcCandless
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Plate FRR-2803, dark green Jeep or something that shape.

I’m northbound on Perry Hwy, have just pulled away from the red light at Cemetery Lane. I knew there was no car immediately behind me at the light, so this would have been 100 to 200 yards beyond the light, plenty of time tosee me and figure out how to deal with me. At that spot, Perry is one lane nb but two-splitting-into-three southbound, with a rumble strip and a double yellow separating the two directions. There is no shoulder so I take the lane. In most cases, as it was here, oncoming traffic is sparse, so there was plenty of space to get past me.

Nope, this guy has to come up behind me going close to the posted 35 already, pass me with 12 to 18″ of space, and lean on the horn while right alongside. This is what I call a “fucking horn”, purposely trying to frighten, alarm or bully me.

No video, unfortunately. My rear camera had shut off a bit earlier, though the light was still working.

It was the only altercation I had all day, after a 25?-mile ride from McKees Rocks to Robinson, back on Steubenville Pike through Crafton, the West End Circle, the traffic lane on the West End Bridge, and up N. Charles and Perrysville to home.


buffalo buffalo
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…both occupants were slobby morbidly obese low IQ looking types. …a morbidly obese redneck… I am surprised the fatass didn’t drop over from a heart attack. … Two rednecks, 55+, very overweight (board-line morbidly obese), …inbred looking… I want to see this fat fuck again.

> Rules: Be respectful and constructive.

Knock it off with the hate. There is nothing about an individual’s size or family origin that is relevant to this post, certainly not five times over. If you can’t write about the incident without spewing invective, wait until you can calm down.

Sick of this shit.


edronline
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twice on one ride today! I was riding on Negley toward Highland park, and right before the Giant Eagle a bicyclist on the other side veered over in the middle and waved to a car that was passing me too close to slow down. I was all the way over to the right. At the stoplight in front of the Giant Eagle back driveway, the driver of the car in front of me yelled, “ROADS ARE FOR CARS!”

Given that the two gentlemen in the car were in their 20s, and I’m not, and also very buff, which I am not, I kept my distance and didn’t say anything.

Thanks to that biker going the other way!

And then, I crossed the Highland park bridge using the sidewalk, crossed out onto Freeport under the HPB toward Aspinwall when there was a big break in traffic. As I am nearing the Medexpress, a van from a local Sharpsburg company drives up a foot behind me, honks for 10 seconds, then guns the engine and passes by me with about 2 feet to spare. Freeport is 4 lanes there. He was the only car.

Unluckily for him, I am good friends with owner of said company, and dropped my friend an email today.

Bad luck for me to have 2 in one day. Though I’m wondering if I should bite the bullet and just get a GoPro or something similar to mount on my handlebars just in case. It is ok if I don’t get all the action, and I know the audio is crappy with the wind and all, but it will at least catch part of the action. The other thought is to put it on my helmet, but thinking it might be too heavy and make my neck hurt.

Any thoughts on cheapie cameras that are waterproof that’ll hold 1-2 hours of video at a time? I’m also ok with stopping after an hour, deleting the file, and going from there, since i’m just wanting to use it to video crazy people.


StuInMcCandless
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I know $175 is a bit steep, but I’ve done pretty well with my Fly6 taillight camera. When it fills the chip, it just starts overwriting the oldest.


RustyRed
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http://www.amazon.com/Contour-1600-ContourROAM-Hands-free-Camcorder/dp/B005GLFSYQ
or
http://www.amazon.com/Contour-ROAM3-Waterproof-Video-Camera/dp/B00METYIQ2/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

You can get these refurbished and used: 75-$80. I’ve had mine almost 3 years.
If you have room on the handlebars, get a solid mount. If you’ve got a flat surface on the side of your helmet, this works great:
http://www.amazon.com/Contour-3720-Rotating-Surface-Cameras/dp/B005Q314XS/ref=sr_1_1?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1458265961&sr=1-1&keywords=contour+roam+mounts

As far as weight on the helmet, yeah, it makes my helmet list a bit to the left, but I don’t get any neck pain from it.


edronline
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Muy helpful. Just want something cheap so when I get run over they can find the person. (:


Ahlir
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Ah, car drivers…

To add some variety to my life, today I decided to ride out on Penn for the evening’s commute; usually I take a left at Negley and head out on the ELB, on the whole a less stressful option (well, except when a bus decides to go half-ways into the bike lane).

Anyway, just past Highland there’s congestion. A late-model black car in front of me makes a point to edge to the right (in the bit with the construction) and block my path. Ok. I stop behind him. Nothing’s moving. So I get impatient and squeeze past on the right (bumping over the foot of a barrier). I hear “Hey what are you doin’?”

He catches up to me near the far ELB intersection and makes a point to swerve in front. I extend a middle finger, lingering long enough to make sure that he has the opportunity to experience our transient bond.

I thought we had (mostly) won the bicycle wars…
Did I get that wrong?


Mick
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I’m guessing the bicycle wars might start in earnest if 1) bicyclists start getting some space that makes a real impact on drivers, and 2) we get enough political clout that road laws are occasionally enforced.

You could have used that middle finger to help you scrawl down a plate number on the back of your hand.


edronline
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I think that’s why I’m getting a cheap video camera. A polite, “Sir, I’m video taping this” would probably get him to drive away without incident.


chrishent
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Heard of a hit and run in the South Side yesterday involving a cyclist and driver. Don’t know about the cyclist’s condition. Driver fled, but they have his/her license plate. Anyone know more about this?

Also heard of an altercation involving a cyclist and driver on Liberty Ave through Bloomfield. The incident apparently escalated to the point where the driver got out of the car and flashed a holstered gun. Police got involved, but no charges were made.

Be careful out there.


Vannevar
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The cyclist in the South Side hit-and-run was Will Pearman, Sarah’s brother. He’s conscious and in the hospital; Sarah is being circumspect in her public comments – I assume b/c this will be a criminal matter.

There were witnesses, somebody got and reported the license plate, people (other than the driver) rendered aid.

In a curious way, some of the reporting seems to have happened on a closed Facebook group (SouthSideSecrets) rather than official channels.


Vannevar
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Mick, I think the bicycle war will only begin when we start putting privileged people in jail for reckless/ hazardous/ threatening driving.


StuInMcCandless
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I, for one, am logging every instance of inconsiderate drivers, close passes, and other willful ignorance. When feasible, I will log criminal complaints. But dammit, we have a right to be here, and when we need to drag them in front of a magistrate, it’s only out of their own ignorance, intolerance, and inconsideration for others that brought them to that.


edronline
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Camera is coming. Since im not going to mount it on my helmet any thoughts about handlebars pointing forward vs rack pointing backwards? Again, just want proof just in case. I guess maybe handle bars is the best. If someone is going to get out of their car then they will pull in front as I am moving forward. And if there’s a close pass then I’ll see them after the pass. And if I get hit from behind. Well. Not much can do anyway as there are no front PA license plates anyway. Thoughts?


Vannevar
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if I only had one camera, I’d mount it pointing forward. Doorings, cutoffs, people making left turns that never “saw” you – there’s a lot that happens in front. Plus, as you said, there’s no front plates for a rear camera.


fultonco
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“I thought we had (mostly) won the bicycle wars…
Did I get that wrong?”

Long way from that victory, I’m afraid.


jonawebb
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I lost my camera somehow and I’m thinking about not replacing it. It never did me that much good; I couldn’t get a cop to pay attention even when I’d captured a license plate. And I think I could intimidate a driver just as well by pointing to my helmet headlight and saying, “Sir, are you aware you are being recorded?”


StuInMcCandless
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I wrestled with a couple of ways to mount the front camera. My current configuration is a GoPro chest strap.


buffalo buffalo
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mattjackets
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So…..the driver in Bloomfield displays a gun, says they’ll shoot a person, and no charges are filed? How is that not a threat with a deadly weapon?

Maybe I should just strap an AR-15 on my back when I bike around with a shirt that says “I will shoot you” on it….seems like the cops & DA are OK with that!


Vannevar
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So let’s separate the driver’s behavior on the road from the cyclist following and confronting the driver.

It seems like the driver’s actions in the garage were probably close to what they’re supposed to do if they feel threatened. If you accept (for discussion) that the cyclist followed them into the garage (an isolated area) and then approached them, and the driver felt threatened, then the driver identified that they are armed and prepared to defend themselves.

What else do we expect the driver to do?
Cyclists don’t have a “direct pursuit” authorization.
The driver was wrong on the road.
I think the cyclist was wrong to follow the driver into the garage.

I’ve done a similar thing myself, and I won’t do it again.
I have never had a satisfying outcome when I chased and confronted a driver.
You have a beef? Call a cop. Don’t want to call a cop? Then you don’t have much of a beef.

It’s not a bad exercise to contemplate that a certain portion of cars contain guns. I know more than 1 person who keeps a gun under their driver’s seat.


fultonco
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@Vannevar

Nicely stated. It seems that some cyclists have lost touch with reality. Following someone into a parking garage, where they are essentially cornered is provocation and could result in one’s death.

A cyclist once told me that he caught up to an offending vehicle at a traffic light. He then opened the car door to say something to the driver. The driver drew a weapon. The cyclist is lucky to have been able to tell that tale.


Marko82
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^ I’m not disagreeing with V or fultonco – confronting drivers is sketchy.

but I find it amusing in a juxtaposition kind of way that the driver of a two ton hunk of metal thinks its perfectly acceptable to drive recklessly near you, sometimes at very high rates of speed, but then the same driver gets scared when confronted by the cyclist straddling a thirty pound bike behind said piece of metal.

Similarly, it’s usually the overweight-nonathletic types that yell homophobic slurs at you as a way of showing how non masculine you are because you are riding a bike and they are in some ginormous truck – Juxtaposition dude.


Ahlir
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The reality is that you have no way of determining what sort of sociopath will emerge from the car. Leave them alone.

I did, for a while, but realized this was really dangerous. One time some guy jumped out of his car and started for me. Sometimes, it’s nice to have a bike…


J Z
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Shaler Road Rage Incident Thwarted By Off-Duty Deputy Sheriff

Joseph Riccelli, 35, of Allison Park

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/03/23/shaler-road-rage-incident-thwarted-by-off-duty-deputy-sheriff/#.VvLFhTHsLq0.twitter


J Z
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jonawebb
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I thought this was interesting, from New Scientist 23 March 2016: Road rage is caused by cats.

“Infection with Toxoplasma gondii, a protozoan parasite carried by cats, has been linked to a human psychiatric condition called intermittent explosive disorder. People who have IED typically experience disproportionate outbursts of aggression, like road rage. T. gondii is already known to change the behaviour of the organisms it infects. By making rodents bolder and more adventurous, the parasite makes them more likely to be caught and eaten by a cat, allowing the parasite to complete its life cycle.

“It can also infect humans, through contact with cat faeces, poorly cooked meat or contaminated water, and as many as one-third of the world’s population may be infected. The protozoan doesn’t make us feel sick, but forms cysts in the brain where it can remain for the rest of a person’s life. Such infections have been linked to psychiatric conditions including schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and suicidal behaviour. People infected with T. gondii also have slower reaction times and are more likely to be involved in car accidents.”

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